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Squeaky SAS thread

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ReconH3

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Big2dabank said:
Here is something for you SAS guys to look into, this showed up on a post from one of our local 4x4 groups and is a radius arm kit for a fullsize Dodge from Carli suspension. Very interesting concept and might be adaptable for someone doing an SAS, if you can look past the price tag. LOL.

http://www.carlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/components/6inchradiusarmsystem.html

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Radius arm suspension really limits suspension travel. Defeats the purpose of having an SAS. It's the problem with all Land Rovers, G Wagens, and coil sprung Toyotas. They all end up swapping out to 3 or 4 link setups.


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4speedfunk

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So true Recon. Radius arms work completely different, and they allow the caster/pinion angles to float all over the place. They should be used for motorcycle swing arms and nothing more.

06H3...Good call on the ZJ springs. They were on my list of possible choices...especially the V8 springs. I think a ZJ/WJ with a V8 probably has a very similar nose weight to the H3.
 
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So my shock issue was bottoming out shocks when I still had 3in of shaft. Obviously the shock is defective. I couldnt wait much longer because driving around with a bad shock is no fun. They refused to get back to me, email me, call me or even respond so while visa is doing a claim with them I ordered a set of Bilstein 7100 14in short body shocks. They are still 14in travel but have a shorter compressed length it will help out a lot. they are fully rebuildable and re valvable so I can tune them as stiff or as soft as I like.



I got my bearings and this saturday I will swap out my auto detroit locker for my selectable ox locker.
 
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06 H3 said:
So my shock issue was bottoming out shocks when I still had 3in of shaft. Obviously the shock is defective. I couldnt wait much longer because driving around with a bad shock is no fun. They refused to get back to me, email me, call me or even respond so while visa is doing a claim with them I ordered a set of Bilstein 7100 14in short body shocks. They are still 14in travel but have a shorter compressed length it will help out a lot. they are fully rebuildable and re valvable so I can tune them as stiff or as soft as I like.



I got my bearings and this saturday I will swap out my auto detroit locker for my selectable ox locker.
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Are this the same one I need to get right ? Did u used the option I'm going to use ?


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No I have a completely different setup then you now. Check my shock thread for ranchos I listed the part #. Summit racing price matched. I got saw these going for 400-450 plus shipping on average Summit shipped em for $254. I love summit racing...
 
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Torres these are for the front. I haven't done rears yet but they would be almost the same. Pro am auto. I tried to order from them they didn't have em in stock and wait would be 6-8 weeks I called summit they price matched and got them a few days later
 
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Oh ok thanks for explaining, I taught those shocks were for the rear. And I know man I love summit racing too lol. They price beat/match is awesome and the free shipping well the deal sealer lol.


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Heres an update, I have logged just over 3k miles on the SAS. So far my favorite coil spring setup are the ZJ springs from Iron rock offroad. I had JK springs, bronco springs and ZJ springs and the ZJ springs seem to be a happy medium from the bronco and JK springs.

Now that I have logged a ton of road miles on it I gotta start wheeling so this morning I started my front bumpstop setup. I really really wanted air bumps. Typical air bumps would not be ideal for this setup. Light racing jounce shocks would be much better due to fitment alone. The cylinder type air bump would make things even harder to package and things are already tight under there. These I could mount just under the frame rail and use the stock leaf spring perches from the axle as bumpstop pads.

These are what I wanted...

http://www.denunzioracing.com/shop/lightracing/lightracing.html

The 1.5in travel air bump I personally think would be an ideal setup for the 3-4in of uptravel I have but I think its smarter to save the 400 bucks and keep it aside in case I break something on my first trip out. I will consider adding them later on down the road.

I then considered my OEM front bumpstops but they were very small. I started to research cheap mans air bumps on pirate and saw that guys would go to the junkyard and cut off the bumpstop cup and take the bumpstop off of GMC envoys oldmobiles Bravadas and a lot of GM SUVs which in fact looked very similar to the H3 rear bump stops! To boot 4speedfunk is running H3 rear bumpstops on his SAS h3 so I cut those off. In the rear I can add some cheap poly bumps for now. I want the front to be pretty nice with bumps and I think the h3 rears will be much better then the typical poly ones up front. Also, bumpstopping the front is MUCH more important to me then the rear when it comes to wheeling. Now granted properly setup bumpstops front and rear are equally important but push comes to shove if I slam down on the front I could hit my oil pan, bent a drag link, tie rod, kill my new shocks, it would be catastrophic. The rear the only thing I can do is negative arch my springs and bottom out the cheap rear shocks. So in an effort to get wheeling the rears going to the front would be the quickest, cheapest and best way to keep me from destroying the front end. Ill order some rears in a few days.

I also installed my ox locker and ordered my cable. I am doing a manual shift. The cable length I decided on was 90in. A straight shot to the mounting point was about 70in I figure giving me 10in of slack for droop and 10in of slack for routing around things should be plenty. Right now I have some duct tape over the empty hole where the cable goes and the hubs unlocked and no driveshaft in to keep that R&P from spinning. So I cant wheel till I get that cable. That should be here by tuesday and my tires should be here tomorrow or tuesday.

I am hoping to wheel on Sunday. My family from New York will be here for my mom's 50th birthday party/halloween party on saturday. I gotta convince my cousins to go wheeling on sunday but I dont think it will be too hard. Last time they enjoyed it.

Here are some pics of what I have been up to recently.











That is all for now! Just gotta clean up the metal for my bumpstop cups trim the the end portions and weld em together. I pulled the coils and compressed it all the way down. The bumpstop cup and 2x4 will make it perfect. Fully bump will be just before things start to hit.
 
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Those front bumps look identical to mine. I fabbed some 2x2 towers just like that, and welded them to the bottom of the frame rails. I put a weld-nut inside them to attach the bumpstop cups, (rather than welding).

To do this I had to drill a hole in the center of each cup. Then I had to relieve a small amount of yellow foam from the center of each bump. This was needed to clear the bolt head that now resided in the bottom of the cups. The bumps would not fit completely down into the cups until I relieved them with a grinder. The end result allowed me to add spacers between the cups and the towers to make them lower. But as it worked out...I never had to make any adjustments.
 
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You're gonna $hit the first time you climb a ledge with 4:1, 5.13s, locked front & rear! It's a totally different vehicle from before. Looking forward to a trail report.
 
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They will clear because I don't have knuckle issues. I have a totally different setup.

They are here!!!! Work and school can't finish soon enough my brother posted this up.

 
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Nope. Not yet I will by the time I have a big run. At 388 plus 25 a tire for shipping I couldn't do it all at once.
 
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