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Torsion key lift of torque torsion bars??

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M22KLARS

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And there is a nice simple way of saying it.:)


As for a hijack, Mutaint may have been a little rude ( I get that this is not appropriate here... it's not pirate... ;), I'm a mod on a forum with similar values to here, so I can see where you guys are coming from) but seemed on topic to me, just with a little attitude :)

Yeah we value his opinion just as we value anyone's opinion. It's just the way the person delivers it that can be the problem sometimes. :)
 
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It's just the way the person delivers it that can be the problem sometimes. :)

I get it, I really do. Sometimes the hackles (fur on the back) gets ruffled when I post about something I believe in.


x's & o's, who made you the ultimate arbiter on what's solid and substantiated information...if you were such the expert on deciphering facts from lies and misinformation, you wouldn't be a moderator, much less, a member on that other forum.


You claim to know the differene but yet you completely fail to see the point of M22's comments - on this forum, we don't treat each other the way you all do on your forum. It won't be tolerated here and if you or anyone else (yes, Mutaint I'm talkig to you) have a problem with that, then don't come back!

WOW! That sounds like a personal attack on x's & o's by a moderator. Looks like you do "treat each other the way you all do on your forum".
 
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Bigunit

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I get it, I really do. Sometimes the hackles (fur on the back) gets ruffled when I post about something I believe in.




WOW! That sounds like a personal attack on x's & o's by a moderator. Looks like you do "treat each other the way you all do on your forum".


Not a personal attack at all....just pointing out "solid and substantiated" information! :)

Is he not a member and moderator on that forum or am I misinformed? Like I said, if you have a problem with that - don't come bacK!
 

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You know, I am really a nobody on this site, but did Mark/Mutaint kind of go off half cocked? Yes. Thats him, I just met him not long ago and realize that. Does he mean harm in it? NO Should you reprimand him via a message?Yes. But all of this tirade on someones post, is really a turn off.. I think he could have been reprimanded thru a message instead of putting him on front street like that.. I love this Forum and what it represents.. But verbal bashing and lashing should be behind closed doors/message. I appreciate all peoples opinions and their time.. Many people on here have helped me, Mark is one of them, as well as Big Unit and a few others..
 
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Not a personal attack at all....just pointing out "solid and substantiated" information! :)

Is he not a member and moderator on that forum or am I misinformed? Like I said, if you have a problem with that - don't come bacK!

Ahh, the old "unit" D.S.

..FWIW, an apology to Mike for your rudeness is also in order...but I'm sure you don't have it in you.

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backcountryislife

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Again, as someone who is also a mod... I find the nastiness, from the mods, about someone being nasty...



Rather odd.


Not trying to attack ANYONE here, just saying that examples are made by those in leadership... and being pissy & offensive, while telling people not to be pissy & offensive seems like a strange way to go about things.


I don't know Mike from adam, but the reality of what a torsion setup does makes his comments about how adding a key compared to clocking the torsion spring somehow makes things safer or the ride better, is a comment I'd disagree with as well, just perhaps more politely. ;)


Mike's comment about how the torsion key doesn't change preload but the clocking of it does, (I know this is going to sound "gruff") simply shows someone who perhaps hasn't given it much thought, or doesn't have a full comprehension of how springs work in relation to the position of the arms. Preload does NOT change with a different position. Now IF you clocked them or added a key, and THEN put them to the bumpstops they will have more preload than the stock setup.



Just some noob that doesn't know much about nuthin... but does have the ability to do some critical thinking & has spent a S***ton of time dealing with suspension on different vehicles.
 

3Hummers

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Main issue is delivery. There are ways to get your point across without sounding like an ass. Do any of you talk to your wives, co-workers or parents like that when you disagree with them... I don't think so. Otherwise you would all be on your 10th wife, 10th job and would be disowned. We are all passionate about our vehicles but that is no reason to let that passion boil over into something ugly. Disagree, correct or offer other insight but remember that everyone is trying to help. I can't tell you who is right or wrong on numerous technical issues but I appreciate the willingness of everyone offering advice and opinion.
 

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I'm going to close down this thread. If anyone would like to discuss torsion bars, please do so in a new thread. There is a history that precedes this thread. I fully support this staff and I understand any moderator reaction here is not a knee-jerk reaction to any one comment here but is more of a response to actions and words that have been expressed both publicly and privately.

There will never be universal support for moderator actions. If everything happens behind the scenes then moderators are blamed for inaction. If everything happens in public then moderators are accused of airing dirty laundry in public. What has occurred here is a blend of those two things.
 
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