Also, the good thing about arb is according to what I know it's tested and compliant with crush zone schematics. Can you take out a dear and it not get a dent yes. Do you want the arb or any brush guard to hold up in a full God forbid frontal impact at 60mph heck no. You want to be able to hit something and keep your front end but if your body is on the line which it is you want the front end to crush like it's supposed to and absorb that impact transfer instead of your body taking the brunt of the hit. So in essence it should take a parking lot yellow pole smack at low speed fine or some branches or a tree limb dangling I guess but not what me and others used to think it's supposed to do. I was in a head on crash once at like 55mph and it's not a pretty sight. Thank god my front end and the other guys crushed and we both walked away fine except for some bumps,bruises,scratches and a concoucion in my part. That thing looks mean and I'll take one any day but accept the things it can do and the things their not supposed to do.