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rsc

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My transmission went out and I had a small local shop rebuild and upgrade it. Took forever because they were learning HUMMER on the fly. Apparently there are several key Hummer-specific items I had to make sure they knew about, and they still had to learn the hard way. I never knew that the whole exhaust and fender liner had to come out to get the transfer case out. The replacement pan w/drain plug wouldn't fit (an Amazon description issue) and neither would my original pan...until we got the right valve body in (a mix up on the bench with another build) but then we found the rebuild kit filter didn't fit so we had to get the correct, short filter for the H3 with the beveled end. Of course, after all that sitting around the truck wouldn't start. Jumped it and the shop test drove it but it ran rough, wouldn't turn on the radio or park the wipers, had a Stab Sys and Traction Control error msg and charging system lamp/warning, blah blah blah. After jumping and charging but still not running right, the shop is checking grounds, double-checking all their work, looking for codes and totally freaking out. After I put a new battery in to fix all the low voltage related faults and the thing STILL won't charge, shop owner is freaking out and punching walls. I run out and put a new master fuse link in it and everything ohms out but still not charging. It doesnt help that my wife is there egging him on and taking digs at him because she wanted it back already a couple months and a couple of wheeling trips ago. At this point I blow the owner's mind by crossing the battery cables and it magically fixes itself. I'm laughing inside that I know how to fix my truck better than the mechanics. You've got to know Hummers to own one, I guess and I might have avoided all the headaches altogether if I had a transmission jack and a flat driveway to start with. :)
 

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Fender liner and exhaust do not have to come out for transfer case. Just had a good friend swap mine and I know he did not remove either.
 

CaseyS

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The fact that they just scrambled parts on the workbench would concern me. And yes, there are several Hummer specific parts in the transmission but if you keep them all together it's a standard 4L60e rebuild.
 

rsc

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Fender liner and exhaust do not have to come out for transfer case. Just had a good friend swap mine and I know he did not remove either.
Yeah, you and I know that but 3-toed monkeys dont ;)
 

rsc

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Disconnected the battery wires and held the red and black wires together. Allows capacitors or stray voltage to discharge? I don't know why it sometimes works but it does.
 

rsc

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The fact that they just scrambled parts on the workbench would concern me. And yes, there are several Hummer specific parts in the transmission but if you keep them all together it's a standard 4L60e rebuild.

Your not kidding, I'm more nervous than a cat in a rocking chair factory. I think that when the mechanic building it left, the new guy grabbed the wrong valve body. He had it together and was fitting the shift kit when he left. If it lasts 90 days I'm gonna feel comfortable with it. It didn't come apart on the test drive today, but the 1-2 solenoid appears to have died so I still am not 100% sure it won't fail spectacularly later. :/ I think for now I may add a spare LKQ transmission to my spares kit, who knows when the wife's H3 will go out too. It seems to be running strong, knock on wood.
 

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I don't see why the fender liner has to come out or the exhaust...but I'll find out in a couple of weeks when I take down and rebuilt my transmission.


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rsc

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They don't have to come out. The exhust was because they thought that last, top bolt was inaccessible without doing so. The fender liner was to get at the exhaust bolts I guess, then to look for pinched wires from the electrical issues. Some folks just can't see the forest for the trees.
 

rsc

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I got a call this afternoon and the shop found aluminum flakes and shredded clutch material in the fluid when dropping the pan to adjust the line pressure. I get to play the waiting game again while they fix it on their dime. Time to find a corner and cry.
 
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I hope they don't try to claim it was like that when you brought it in, but they didn't know. If it needs a full rebuild, It would be interesting to see if the GM 6L80 six-speed trans can be fitted.
 

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I hope they don't try to claim it was like that when you brought it in, but they didn't know. If it needs a full rebuild, It would be interesting to see if the GM 6L80 six-speed trans can be fitted.
Im hoping someone does it! When my trans goes I will be seriously interested in that! Lower first gear ratio and close final drive gear!
 

rsc

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No, they admitted that it had to have been put together wrong. It had about 3 miles on it and never left their shop. I believe that the 6L80 is wider, but too long to fit.
 
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No, they admitted that it had to have been put together wrong. It had about 3 miles on it and never left their shop. I believe that the 6L80 is wider, but too long to fit.
I read about a 6L80 going into a S10 small block and it said the 6L was shorter than the 4L but deeper under the main shaft. I wonder about the xfer case fit. It would need a swap of the controllers too. IMO, the 4L60E is the worst thing in the H3, its really a 3 spd + OD and turns anything it's in into a gelding.
 

CaseyS

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6L80e has been covered before. Shift commands are all via communication links to the ECU. Physical fitment is not the holdup on someone doing this.

You know this should involve a full teardown to determine the extent of any damage. I would ask to inspect the empty case and damaged clutches once they have it on the bench to keep them honest. At this point if you let them with the time they have spent dicking around with it and the money they have lost already, a shady shop would be inclined to do the minimum to just get you out the door and survive the warranty period.

I would take some pictures and send the owner an email documenting the issues thus far. Start covering the bases now in case you have to pursue other financial remedies if they don't make it right.
 

rsc

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I'm dealing with the owner now. He admitted it needed a total rebuild from scratch and that they would do it. Good suggestions, gonna see the empty case to look at where the possible scoring was and try to collect the old parts so they don't go back in.
 
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