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H3 a successful case of Duramax in a H3?

davidh3

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Ok... well MAYBE I could afford a decal that says duramax... but howmuch weight do you think that would add?????? :p

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yeah......the weight, that's gonna be the problem, H3 is H3... maybe it's not designed for Duramax....
It's like a woman with supa boobs will have problems on her daily life. :p
 

06 H3

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If they put a longer lasting engine in. Then they'd have to design a truck that'd last longer.
i.e. The current I-5 is designed to go 300,000 miles (designed, not what it will actually do). So the truck is only designed to last say 250,000. If you install a motor that will go 1 million miles. You now need to design the truck to last much longer. Also there is the associated spare parts stock that will become a problem.

I was talking to a dodge owner awhile back. His pickup had the cummins engine. Which with care will go one million miles. But the dash was falling apart, wires were falling down under the dash, and the paint was peeling badly at less than 50,000 miles.

So why put a million mile engine in a 75,000 mile truck? You don't make money that way.

Our motor is designed to last 300k? How about the rest of the powertrain?

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It looks cool, but I wonder if it will stay cool if it's being worked hard. Frankly, a 4BT/ISB Cummins would be a far better fit and would have all the power you could ever need. And get better fuel economy. And be cheaper.


So it's an inline 4 3.9L very cool. Like I said before I always assumed that if you put a Diesel in a gas power train it would tare it apart dues to the new found torque?
 

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So it's an inline 4 3.9L very cool. Like I said before I always assumed that if you put a Diesel in a gas power train it would tare it apart dues to the new found torque?

Well, a stock 4BT is 105-130HP and 300lb-ft of torque. A stock ISB3.9 or 4.5 can be as much as 170HP and 420lb-ft or so. Either can get into the 300HP and 800llb-ft range without too much difficulty. As for the rest of the drivetrain, you will be OK with a stock 4BT or ISB. Beyond that, you need a stronger trans, t-case, and axles.

In reality, diesel swaps end up being drivetrain swaps. My K5 started life as a throttle-body-injected 350 (rated at 200HP, 300lb-ft torque), 4L60 trans, NP241 t-case, and 8.5" 10b axles front and rear. Although some parts have been swapped more than once, my current powertrain with the Cummins 6BT is a 6 speed Allison 1000, an NP205 transfer case (possibly with a 203 doubler - that is up in the air at the moment, a 10.5" 14 bolt full floater rear axle, and a Dana 60 front. So, as you can see, there is not a single factory piece left in the drivetrain. Even the frame is non-stock: I sectioned out the front third and replaced it with a section of frame from a 1 ton chassis cab to better cope with the weight and torque of the Cummins, as well as to fix the frame cracking in the steering box area that plagues the 1/2 tone frame. As well, the stock trans crossmember is long gone, and the one that replaced it is also itself being replaced with dual crossmembers. In essence, when you to a diesel (or even a larger gas engine) swap, everything revolves around it, and if something isn't compatible or strong enough, it gets replaced. And then you mod whatever necessary to accommodate the replacement piece. That is why a lot of swaps get started by novices and never finished. If you don't have the skills, it can get overwhelming in a hurry.
 
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Old crap like that should be allowed to die, not be resurrected to perpetuate the anti-H3 myths created by those who never drove, let alone wheeled in an H3.
 

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I don't think you'll see the diesel 4dr. Rubicon in CA though. I wanted to get the little lady a diesel Jeep Liberty or Volkswagen Tourgue (don't know how it's spelled) but no diesels except large trucks like Dodge Ram, Chevrolet, or Fords allowed in CA.
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From a greenhouse gas perspective, yes, but the soot (DPM) is more of a respiratory issue than gasser exhaust is.

Not with DPF's. Check out a newer diesel with a DPF, and after 20k miles the inside of the exhaust pipe is still perfectly clean and soot-free. Cali's diesel thing is mostly a case of legislature idiocy than anything else. Which is pretty much the root of ALL of California's problems...
 

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Not with DPF's. Check out a newer diesel with a DPF, and after 20k miles the inside of the exhaust pipe is still perfectly clean and soot-free. Cali's diesel thing is mostly a case of legislature idiocy than anything else. Which is pretty much the root of ALL of California's problems...

So comparing a current dpf blutec type motor to a similar hp gasser today, how do emissions compare then? I used to ride for a shop that did a ton of diesel work, but he shut down a few years ago (broke his back) and he didn't do much with the newer ones, so I never got to be familiar with them.
 

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What would be the best Diesel and power train set up? I know the 2005-2006 LBZ 6.6 duramax was the best duramax ever made, but what about dodge and ford? I always heard great thing about the late 90's 5.9 cummins but the transmission was trash. So what I'm asking is if you was going to buy a Diesel what make, model and year and why. Also no dualys.
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What would be the best Diesel and power train set up? I know the 2005-2006 LBZ 6.6 duramax was the best duramax ever made, but what about dodge and ford? I always heard great thing about the late 90's 5.9 cummins but the transmission was trash. So what I'm asking is if you was going to buy a Diesel what make, model and year and why. Also no dualys.

All I've heard of is teh 2005-6 LBZ Duramax engine with the allison. I've always wondreed about the Powerstroke or Cummins.

All DMaxes from the LLY on were good. The LB7's had some teething issues, but they are fixable. The main gripe with the LMM and LML Dmaxes are the DPF and even heavier EGR, but delete those and the engine is otherwise excellent. The 05s had overheating issues, but that was an issue with the cooling system and the addition of cooled EGR, not the engine itself. 05 also had trans issues related to the heating issue and the HP increase with the LBZ. 6 speed Allys are better than the 5 speeds, mainly due to a revised input drum that more evenly applies pressure to the clutches.

The Cummins has always been good. 94-up 12 valves had a better injector pump (Bosch P7100, arguably the best mechanical injection pump there is), and were the best 12 valve engines made. 93-earlier Cummins used the VE pump, which while reliable aren't as tolerant of poor lubricity fuel and have more limited performance potential. They usually can do a tad better on mileage due to a variable advance mechanism that the P pump lacks. They're still solid, reliable engines. The only issue with the 12V engines was the dreaded Killer Dowel Pin. This was a pin used to align the timing cover to the case, and in rare instances it would vibrate out of it's hole and fall into the gear train, doing one of three things: If you were lucky, it bounced off the gears and fell harmlessly into the oil pan. If you were less lucky, it got shoved between the cam gear and the aluminum timing case, and you ended up with the Exxon Valdez parked in your driveway. If you were spectacularly unlucky, it got caught between the cam and injection pump gear, broke the gears, and because the cam gear breaks you end up with pistons and valves getting intimate with one another, turining your engine into 1100lbs of scrap metal. This was a rare failure, but it sucked to be you if it happened. In any case, the preventative fix is easy - take the cover off the timing case and retain the pin with a bolt-on tab or by staking it in place. When I went to do mine I found the pin had already been staked, eliminating the possibility of a KDP issue.

From mid-1998 on, Cummins went to a 24 valve head (4 valves per cylinder). Despite what many Cummins people think, this wasn't done for power, it was done for emissions. Going to 4 valves per cylinder allowed the injectors to be centered in the cylinder, the bowl to be centered in the piston, and intake airflow to be given a higher degree of swirl. While a 24V head does flow better than a 12V head, the difference isn't huge, especially considering the slow speed that a diesel operated at - multi valve engines mainly give superior breathing at high RPMs, where a diesel never operates. From mid-year 98 to 2002, the Cummins got the Bosch VP44 pump. It's an electronically contrilled rotary distributor pump, somewhat like a VE pump with electronic controls. The pump worked well, but was sensitive to being starved of fuel. Dodge used questionable lift pumps (a low pressure pump that moves fuel from the tank to the injection pump), which would fail and cause the VP44 to destroy itself. As long as a good lift pump is used, the VP44 usually lasts a reasonably long time. These engines made decent power, but ended up being overshadowed by the later common rail engines. Another issue with this generation was the "53" engines. Cummins engine blocks have numbers cast into them that vary depending on where and when they were made. The "53" blocks were cast in Brazil (as were most Cummins B and ISB blocks), and this particular run had a core shift issue that caused a thin spot in the outer water jacket bulkhead. A small percentage of these were thin enough that they would crack after many miles of use, causing a coolant leak that would progressively worsen. Only real fix was another engine (or another block). Only a few percent of the engines made in this time span were "53" blocks, and only a couple percent of the 53's would ever crack. Still, it was enough to spawn a class action lawsuit. For every story of a cracked 53 block you will find 10 guys running the snot out of them with high HP builds and no issues. Given a choice, I'd avoid buying a 53 engine... just in case. Unlike the KDP, there is no preventative fix for a defective block, and there is no way to know if a particular 53 engine is susceptible other than running it and waiting to see if you got unlucky :p

From 2003-up, Cummins went to a Bosch common rail injection system using the CP3 pump (same pump the DMax uses). In 07 or 08, the engine was bored and stroked to 6.7 liters, which is the current incarnation. Like the Dmax, issues with the later Cummins tend to revolve around the emissions equipment (DPF and EGR). The engines themselves are fine.

The B and ISB series of Cummins engines came/come in 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder variants. All ISB 6 cylinders used in Dodge Ram pickups are front gear train engines - that is, the gear train driving the oil pump, cam shaft, injector pump, and power steering pump is on the front of the engine. Most industrial 6 cylinder variants were rear gear train, where as its name implies the gear train is on the back of the engine. This is of particular importance to the 4 cylinder variants, as ALL of the common rail 4 cylinder ISB's are rear gear train. This is an important consideration for swappers of these engines, as it limits you to SAE bellhousings and can cause fitment issues in some cases.

The only Powerstrokes worth a crap were the old 7.3's. The 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 Powerstrokes were built by International Truck and Engine. When used in Internationals, the 7.3 was called the T444E, and the 6.0 was called the DT365. I have heard anecdotes that the problems with the 6.0 were caused by mods that Ford insisted on, and that Internationals own DT365's didn't have the head gasket issues that plagued the Ford. No idea if this is true or not. Anyway, that was the legacy of the 6.0 - it was renowned for head gasket issues. The normal fix was ARP head studs, although how successful that fix is I don't know. I do know that keeping the engine stock helped heep the gaskets intact.

The 6.4 was only used for 2 years if I recall correctly, and didn't seem to have the HG issues of the 6.0, but it was plagued with the same DPF/EGR issues that the DMax and Cummins have to contend with (EGR was a real problem on the 6.4)

The new 6.7 may end up being as big a disaster for Ford as the 6.0. Google "Ford 6.7 dropped valve" and you will find plenty of reading where poor bastards have had their not-far-out-of-warranty 6.7 break the head off of a valve and junk the cylinder (and generally the entire engine as a result). Oops. Since DMaxs and Cummins don't have any mechanical issues, I see little reason to mess with the Ford. Or little reason to buy a new Ford truck for that matter :no:
 

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All DMaxes from the LLY on were good. The LB7's had some teething issues, but they are fixable. The main gripe with the LMM and LML Dmaxes are the DPF and even heavier EGR, but delete those and the engine is otherwise excellent. The 05s had overheating issues, but that was an issue with the cooling system and the addition of cooled EGR, not the engine itself. 05 also had trans issues related to the heating issue and the HP increase with the LBZ. 6 speed Allys are better than the 5 speeds, mainly due to a revised input drum that more evenly applies pressure to the clutches.

The Cummins has always been good. 94-up 12 valves had a better injector pump (Bosch P7100, arguably the best mechanical injection pump there is), and were the best 12 valve engines made. 93-earlier Cummins used the VE pump, which while reliable aren't as tolerant of poor lubricity fuel and have more limited performance potential. They usually can do a tad better on mileage due to a variable advance mechanism that the P pump lacks. They're still solid, reliable engines. The only issue with the 12V engines was the dreaded Killer Dowel Pin. This was a pin used to align the timing cover to the case, and in rare instances it would vibrate out of it's hole and fall into the gear train, doing one of three things: If you were lucky, it bounced off the gears and fell harmlessly into the oil pan. If you were less lucky, it got shoved between the cam gear and the aluminum timing case, and you ended up with the Exxon Valdez parked in your driveway. If you were spectacularly unlucky, it got caught between the cam and injection pump gear, broke the gears, and because the cam gear breaks you end up with pistons and valves getting intimate with one another, turining your engine into 1100lbs of scrap metal. This was a rare failure, but it sucked to be you if it happened. In any case, the preventative fix is easy - take the cover off the timing case and retain the pin with a bolt-on tab or by staking it in place. When I went to do mine I found the pin had already been staked, eliminating the possibility of a KDP issue.

From mid-1998 on, Cummins went to a 24 valve head (4 valves per cylinder). Despite what many Cummins people think, this wasn't done for power, it was done for emissions. Going to 4 valves per cylinder allowed the injectors to be centered in the cylinder, the bowl to be centered in the piston, and intake airflow to be given a higher degree of swirl. While a 24V head does flow better than a 12V head, the difference isn't huge, especially considering the slow speed that a diesel operated at - multi valve engines mainly give superior breathing at high RPMs, where a diesel never operates. From mid-year 98 to 2002, the Cummins got the Bosch VP44 pump. It's an electronically contrilled rotary distributor pump, somewhat like a VE pump with electronic controls. The pump worked well, but was sensitive to being starved of fuel. Dodge used questionable lift pumps (a low pressure pump that moves fuel from the tank to the injection pump), which would fail and cause the VP44 to destroy itself. As long as a good lift pump is used, the VP44 usually lasts a reasonably long time. These engines made decent power, but ended up being overshadowed by the later common rail engines. Another issue with this generation was the "53" engines. Cummins engine blocks have numbers cast into them that vary depending on where and when they were made. The "53" blocks were cast in Brazil (as were most Cummins B and ISB blocks), and this particular run had a core shift issue that caused a thin spot in the outer water jacket bulkhead. A small percentage of these were thin enough that they would crack after many miles of use, causing a coolant leak that would progressively worsen. Only real fix was another engine (or another block). Only a few percent of the engines made in this time span were "53" blocks, and only a couple percent of the 53's would ever crack. Still, it was enough to spawn a class action lawsuit. For every story of a cracked 53 block you will find 10 guys running the snot out of them with high HP builds and no issues. Given a choice, I'd avoid buying a 53 engine... just in case. Unlike the KDP, there is no preventative fix for a defective block, and there is no way to know if a particular 53 engine is susceptible other than running it and waiting to see if you got unlucky :p

From 2003-up, Cummins went to a Bosch common rail injection system using the CP3 pump (same pump the DMax uses). In 07 or 08, the engine was bored and stroked to 6.7 liters, which is the current incarnation. Like the Dmax, issues with the later Cummins tend to revolve around the emissions equipment (DPF and EGR). The engines themselves are fine.

The B and ISB series of Cummins engines came/come in 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder variants. All ISB 6 cylinders used in Dodge Ram pickups are front gear train engines - that is, the gear train driving the oil pump, cam shaft, injector pump, and power steering pump is on the front of the engine. Most industrial 6 cylinder variants were rear gear train, where as its name implies the gear train is on the back of the engine. This is of particular importance to the 4 cylinder variants, as ALL of the common rail 4 cylinder ISB's are rear gear train. This is an important consideration for swappers of these engines, as it limits you to SAE bellhousings and can cause fitment issues in some cases.

The only Powerstrokes worth a crap were the old 7.3's. The 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 Powerstrokes were built by International Truck and Engine. When used in Internationals, the 7.3 was called the T444E, and the 6.0 was called the DT365. I have heard anecdotes that the problems with the 6.0 were caused by mods that Ford insisted on, and that Internationals own DT365's didn't have the head gasket issues that plagued the Ford. No idea if this is true or not. Anyway, that was the legacy of the 6.0 - it was renowned for head gasket issues. The normal fix was ARP head studs, although how successful that fix is I don't know. I do know that keeping the engine stock helped heep the gaskets intact.

The 6.4 was only used for 2 years if I recall correctly, and didn't seem to have the HG issues of the 6.0, but it was plagued with the same DPF/EGR issues that the DMax and Cummins have to contend with (EGR was a real problem on the 6.4)

The new 6.7 may end up being as big a disaster for Ford as the 6.0. Google "Ford 6.7 dropped valve" and you will find plenty of reading where poor bastards have had their not-far-out-of-warranty 6.7 break the head off of a valve and junk the cylinder (and generally the entire engine as a result). Oops. Since DMaxs and Cummins don't have any mechanical issues, I see little reason to mess with the Ford. Or little reason to buy a new Ford truck for that matter :no:

Thank you for the great info, so if you was to buy a diesel truck that you felt was the best and would last and can be mod to make good HP and great MPG what would it be and why?
 

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All DMaxes from the LLY on were good. The LB7's had some teething issues, but they are fixable. The main gripe with the LMM and LML Dmaxes are the DPF and even heavier EGR, but delete those and the engine is otherwise excellent. The 05s had overheating issues, but that was an issue with the cooling system and the addition of cooled EGR, not the engine itself. 05 also had trans issues related to the heating issue and the HP increase with the LBZ. 6 speed Allys are better than the 5 speeds, mainly due to a revised input drum that more evenly applies pressure to the clutches.

The Cummins has always been good. 94-up 12 valves had a better injector pump (Bosch P7100, arguably the best mechanical injection pump there is), and were the best 12 valve engines made. 93-earlier Cummins used the VE pump, which while reliable aren't as tolerant of poor lubricity fuel and have more limited performance potential. They usually can do a tad better on mileage due to a variable advance mechanism that the P pump lacks. They're still solid, reliable engines. The only issue with the 12V engines was the dreaded Killer Dowel Pin. This was a pin used to align the timing cover to the case, and in rare instances it would vibrate out of it's hole and fall into the gear train, doing one of three things: If you were lucky, it bounced off the gears and fell harmlessly into the oil pan. If you were less lucky, it got shoved between the cam gear and the aluminum timing case, and you ended up with the Exxon Valdez parked in your driveway. If you were spectacularly unlucky, it got caught between the cam and injection pump gear, broke the gears, and because the cam gear breaks you end up with pistons and valves getting intimate with one another, turining your engine into 1100lbs of scrap metal. This was a rare failure, but it sucked to be you if it happened. In any case, the preventative fix is easy - take the cover off the timing case and retain the pin with a bolt-on tab or by staking it in place. When I went to do mine I found the pin had already been staked, eliminating the possibility of a KDP issue.

From mid-1998 on, Cummins went to a 24 valve head (4 valves per cylinder). Despite what many Cummins people think, this wasn't done for power, it was done for emissions. Going to 4 valves per cylinder allowed the injectors to be centered in the cylinder, the bowl to be centered in the piston, and intake airflow to be given a higher degree of swirl. While a 24V head does flow better than a 12V head, the difference isn't huge, especially considering the slow speed that a diesel operated at - multi valve engines mainly give superior breathing at high RPMs, where a diesel never operates. From mid-year 98 to 2002, the Cummins got the Bosch VP44 pump. It's an electronically contrilled rotary distributor pump, somewhat like a VE pump with electronic controls. The pump worked well, but was sensitive to being starved of fuel. Dodge used questionable lift pumps (a low pressure pump that moves fuel from the tank to the injection pump), which would fail and cause the VP44 to destroy itself. As long as a good lift pump is used, the VP44 usually lasts a reasonably long time. These engines made decent power, but ended up being overshadowed by the later common rail engines. Another issue with this generation was the "53" engines. Cummins engine blocks have numbers cast into them that vary depending on where and when they were made. The "53" blocks were cast in Brazil (as were most Cummins B and ISB blocks), and this particular run had a core shift issue that caused a thin spot in the outer water jacket bulkhead. A small percentage of these were thin enough that they would crack after many miles of use, causing a coolant leak that would progressively worsen. Only real fix was another engine (or another block). Only a few percent of the engines made in this time span were "53" blocks, and only a couple percent of the 53's would ever crack. Still, it was enough to spawn a class action lawsuit. For every story of a cracked 53 block you will find 10 guys running the snot out of them with high HP builds and no issues. Given a choice, I'd avoid buying a 53 engine... just in case. Unlike the KDP, there is no preventative fix for a defective block, and there is no way to know if a particular 53 engine is susceptible other than running it and waiting to see if you got unlucky :p

From 2003-up, Cummins went to a Bosch common rail injection system using the CP3 pump (same pump the DMax uses). In 07 or 08, the engine was bored and stroked to 6.7 liters, which is the current incarnation. Like the Dmax, issues with the later Cummins tend to revolve around the emissions equipment (DPF and EGR). The engines themselves are fine.

The B and ISB series of Cummins engines came/come in 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder variants. All ISB 6 cylinders used in Dodge Ram pickups are front gear train engines - that is, the gear train driving the oil pump, cam shaft, injector pump, and power steering pump is on the front of the engine. Most industrial 6 cylinder variants were rear gear train, where as its name implies the gear train is on the back of the engine. This is of particular importance to the 4 cylinder variants, as ALL of the common rail 4 cylinder ISB's are rear gear train. This is an important consideration for swappers of these engines, as it limits you to SAE bellhousings and can cause fitment issues in some cases.

The only Powerstrokes worth a crap were the old 7.3's. The 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 Powerstrokes were built by International Truck and Engine. When used in Internationals, the 7.3 was called the T444E, and the 6.0 was called the DT365. I have heard anecdotes that the problems with the 6.0 were caused by mods that Ford insisted on, and that Internationals own DT365's didn't have the head gasket issues that plagued the Ford. No idea if this is true or not. Anyway, that was the legacy of the 6.0 - it was renowned for head gasket issues. The normal fix was ARP head studs, although how successful that fix is I don't know. I do know that keeping the engine stock helped heep the gaskets intact.

The 6.4 was only used for 2 years if I recall correctly, and didn't seem to have the HG issues of the 6.0, but it was plagued with the same DPF/EGR issues that the DMax and Cummins have to contend with (EGR was a real problem on the 6.4)

The new 6.7 may end up being as big a disaster for Ford as the 6.0. Google "Ford 6.7 dropped valve" and you will find plenty of reading where poor bastards have had their not-far-out-of-warranty 6.7 break the head off of a valve and junk the cylinder (and generally the entire engine as a result). Oops. Since DMaxs and Cummins don't have any mechanical issues, I see little reason to mess with the Ford. Or little reason to buy a new Ford truck for that matter :no:

Thanks for the info! I've never had any problem with our Dmax Trucks or our Ford with the 6.0, and the 6.7 / 6.4. I guess weve just been lucky:) But overall I do prefer the Dmax, but still like all the brands.
 

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If I wanted to make big power, I'd go Duramax (plus, the Allison tranny is the best in the biz imo). If I wanted longevity/ economy, I'd go Cummins. Unfortunately the Cummins comes attached to a dodge truck though:roll:

My only issue with the Chevy is the same I have with the H3... stupid electronics where there should be a simple lever. Other than that, the Chevy seems to be a better truck. (I currently own a dodge) I'd buy either, but dealing with a work fleet that are all ford, I'll never buy a powerstroke. CONSTANT issues with those motors, they start like crap, and for how huge they are, they don't make squat for power.
 

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I know the die hard dmax, cummins, and powerstroke guys are always fighting but the first time I saw the sticker on this dodge I couldn't stop laughing...

"Id rather be cummin' then strokin"

LOL

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Towed lots of heavy loads with Powerstroke motors and only had one blow up. Big fan of the Duramax except maintenance on them can be expensive. Tried to get excited about the Cummins in a number of Dodge trucks but just couldn't do it. They get better mileage but always seem to take a long time to get to speed.
 

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Thank you for the great info, so if you was to buy a diesel truck that you felt was the best and would last and can be mod to make good HP and great MPG what would it be and why?

Well, the Fords are nice but have the suckiest engines. Dodges are Dodges and have the best engines with the crappiest transmissions. Chevy/GMC's are good trucks, have good engines, the best transmissions (auto and manual), but I'm not a big fan of the IFS on a working truck.

Overall, if I were to buy one to simply use with no swapping, it would be a Chevy or GMC. The DMax is solid, the Ally is unbeatable, and the trucks themselves are solid. I like the Cummins better than the DMax, but not enough to buy a Dodge :p
 
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